28 Responses to “Smart Power! or The Sting..?”

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  2. Joe says:

    I guess it might be a good idea to buy stock in GE?

    Stock in Poland, the Baltics and Israel, maybe not so much.

    At least they will have company under the Obama bus.

  3. geoffb says:

    Too bad for all the “little people” in many nations, some not even born yet, who will pay the price to get back to where we all could and should have been at a much lower cost.

    The Obamas, Putins and Bidens get to play the game but we furnish the skin for the ante and the raise.

  4. SBP says:

    I wonder if all the Polish-Americans in Chicago will keep voting Dem after this.

    Probably.

  5. Joe says:

    When they lose Jay Leno, have they lost the country?

  6. Enoch_Root says:

    Excellent analysis, Rocketman.

    It is near impossible to explain – I mean really explain this particular move by DC – but it is mighty significant, especially if one recalls the history of Eastern Europe.

    No one can say the Poles have nothing to fear. And with Germany and the UK geldings both… well, we may see the Corridor claimed once again.

    But, you know, they are expendable – being Catholics and all.

  7. Edgell McHickfistter says:

    But are these smelly Socialist Poles good Catholics, herr Grand Sorter of Catholics? Would they survive your coming anti-abortion purges! And what if they believed the world was round, not flat!

    Why in the fuck is your snout where it doesn’t belong, Eno, the self-anointed King of Purges? You don’t know your dick from Poland. Wasn’t it you, King of Purges, who was a coon-skin capped flint lock rifle-sporting and pioneering defender of the United States Constitution just a week or so back? Yeah, so show me where in the grandeur of your delusions does the Constitution allow for an American paid for missile defense system to be planted on sovereign Polish soil? At a tune of $5-billion U.S. taxpayer dollars to-boot, ya tea-baggin’ twerp.

    Let’s see, so far you’ve been claimer to the titles of ordain-er of authentic Irishness, wherein the Kennedy brothers, the eldest a fallen WW2 vet, another a famous former President of the United States of America, another a candidate for the office of President of the United States of America, and the forth, the youngest, a 47-year member of the United States Senate, besmirched the glory of every Irish American (“damaged it!”), which I personally translated to mean every other bar tender in South Boston.

    Then there was Eno’s trist with being Moses coming down the mountain top for the benefit of the politically unaware American Jewry. The city Jews, you know, the ones who dominate academia and Noble Prizes, but who can’t figure out something as basic as which candidate they should vote for, at least not without Moses-Eno’s guidance, or maybe it’s Abraham-Eno, who can really say.

    The latest incarnation is Eno, sorter and purger of Catholics. He’s counting heads, Pope people! He knows whose been naughty and nice, checking his list twice!

    I doubt Jesus, the real one, partook in as much self-aggrandizement and self-inflating of importance as the Eno, King of Purges, the self-referencing judge, jury and wingered blog trumpeteer extraordinaire!

    • Enoch_Root says:

      HA! McFistedAllaht – nice diatribe. to anser your… erm… charges, sir:

      1) yes – I am a Constitutionalist – I consider the Bear a threat when the bear acts up, sir. And the bear always acts up – it is in his atheistic nature to do so – that would qualify as a foreign threat, you arse.
      2) the Kennedy’s were no doubt Irish – but catholic in name only – though I cannot see into their hearts. One senses JFK was coming to his senses when he was murdered. His brother Bobby, who can say – his brother Ted “the dumb one” proved that no time was enough for him to see the light.
      3) the practicing, God fearing Jews are my brothers, you ass. Our elders. To whom we Christians owe a great debt of gratitude. Israelis not so much. Jews they may claim to be – many are Jews in name only. Seems to be a trend. Likewise for “jews” in the United States that vote against their own theology’s professions. And, anyway, you will note that the man whose book I referenced is himself a Jew. I was only reporting, herr sludge.
      4) hmmm – I seem to have touched a nerve with regard to ACORN catholics. These are a tricky lot who do not have the balls to join a church that shares their twisted, non-Catholic beliefs. Is it too much to ask people who claim the Faith to believe in her professions? There are plenty of more interesting schismatic churches who allow for all manner of curiously “christian” beliefs – one for every man.
      5) You of all people should not preach what Jesus did or did not teach. There is nothing at all a Christian is called to do above defending the Faith. And pointing out falsehoods is a responsibility of those that would claim to be among His followers. But if you are Baptized, I will still think of you as my brother in Christ… misguided as you appear to this human – with all my faults and pride – to be.
      6) Jesus was, in my estimation, not a hippy, you ass-face. In fact, I would suggest Jesus, that crazy rabble-rouser, could be downright hard-headed – I wonder if those of His time found His preachings offensive… oh, wait… yeah they crucified Him, didn’t they? He offended their sensibilities with his judgmental-ism, didn’t they? He insisted on the Truth, with no concern for His very life. You moron, we are called to do our best to follow in His footsteps – and I will be the first to admit I am doing a very poor job. I have a long way to go and I know it. Why does your conscience bother you so much, Judas? Have you betrayed Him?

      • Edgell McHickfistter says:

        It think you ought to regard your fellow Catholics’ beliefs as being as sincere as your own. If you want to break up the Catholic church, well, I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion.

        Without hesitation one can say the late Ted Kennedy was a man of God, family and country. I came to like the guy more than I agreed with him politically. He did the best he could with the hand he was dealt, and sometimes his best wasn’t good at all. But through it all he proved himself more good than otherwise. I don’t imagine it was easy to be Ted Kennedy, but he managed to earn a good name for himself.

        Your attempting to rip the man over nothing more than silly-ass petty politics speaks more of your politics than it does of Ted Kennedy.

        BTW, Chris Matthews, the late Tim Russert, Tom Brokaw, etc.., all do well by their Irish roots. Irish herald from no political clan, but from a country.

        And now I shall quote the great Derek Walcott from Roman Catholic Saint Lucia so that you might take a step back from the knee-jerk prejudices that afflict us all from time to time:

        “I’m just a red nigger who love the sea,
        I had a sound colonial education,
        I have Dutch, nigger and English in me,
        and either I’m nobody, or I’m a nation.”

        Also, with respect to Caribbean men of letters, condolences to the many friends of relatives of Jamaican playwrite Trevor Rhone, author of comical and serious works, including the always enjoyable spaghetti western-styled The Harder They Come.

    • Enoch_Root says:

      St. Paul was no hippie either. Unless you hadn’t noticed.

  8. carin says:

    Ugh. #6 deserves to be deleted. A tad offtopic, I’d say.

  9. Edgell McHickfistter says:

    Hey, Bob, weren’t the Russians threatening to place missiles in Kaliningrad just to laugh and show how it easy it was to defeat our 10-count Polish missile defense system. And what would we have done if the mad Russians simply blew up the installation? Send a trite letter to the U.N.? Because we sure as shit aren’t going to fuck with Russians, now are we.

    Sometimes you have to know when to fold a poker hand, well, that is unless your a spendalholic rethuglican too stupid to take the advice of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense, the one Boooosh appointed, poimyo.

  10. carin says:

    I don’t know why you bother talking to sthor. Any point he may attempt to make (that the U.S. shouldn’t be spending money on defense of another country) is lost in his acrimony, insults, and delusions of grandeur.

  11. carin says:

    Jhoward just posted this over at PW.

    We’re fucked.

  12. Enoch_Root says:

    Type your comment here

    Edgell McHickfistter :

    It think you ought to regard your fellow Catholics’ beliefs as being as sincere as your own. If you want to break up the Catholic church, well, I suppose you’re entitled to your opinion.

    You are ignorant of Catholic Theology, sir. This comment identifies you as one who knows nothing about Catholicism. I am not being mean – I am just pointing this out.

    There is NO room for “opinions” or varied “beliefs” in the Church. In fact, the Church itself is very clear as to what it means to be Catholic. Now, none of us is perfect – but all of us are instructed to believe – and above all not to promulgate (scandalize) – “beliefs” that are foreign and therefore not in keeping with the Catechism.

    If in the future, you wish to inform yourself, I hereby advance an invitation to refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church – it is what we believe – even if we have trouble believing it and are praying to be guided by the Holy Spirit to understand a given position or positions.

    Also, one wonders whether those who receive Communion without a full examination of conscience – and in many cases in spite of their open opposition to the Church’s professions – know that they are in mortal danger – that they have already been excommunicated by opposing the Church and failing to conform their will to the Will of God on earth. And, do they know that they only compound their fallen station by making a bad communion. They heap gravity upon gravity in this manner.

    This is not my interpretation… it is not my opinion… it is the Church you should argue with, Thor – all 2000 years of men and women much brighter and in tune with the Creator’s will than I am.

  13. Pablo says:

    Prezident n00b.

    We are so fucked.

  14. Edgell McHickfistter says:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090918/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nato_russia

    Damn, looks like the neo-Confederate drooling keyboard warriors might have to find a new imaginary enemy of America.

    I bet the new evil empire that must be destroyed will be Sweden, which sits on the fault line of Socialism. All those hot blue-eyed Swedish blond babes who stay all healthy and fertile with their government subsidized health care, it aint’ right. Those golfing and tennis playing swine! How dare they taunt America exceptionalism with their hot Helsinki hootch!

    Annika Sorenstam versus Martina Navratilova; Sweden’s mere existence mocks Uncle Sam’s woody!

    Death to Sweden! The rise of the White Angels must be stopped!

  15. serr8d says:

    What in the world do you, Tom Drooley – thor – mcedgelysheepfucker, know about anything what’s blond and babeliscious?

    Your best times come near the end of a bobbed tail.

  16. geoffb says:

    “I don’t know why you bother talking to sthor”

    Because he has the best-est avatar evuh.

  17. Cowboy says:

    The post above quotes a British journalist as writing:

    [Suspension of the missile defense program] “… represents the appalling appeasement of Russian aggression and a willingness to sacrifice American allies on the altar of political expediency.”

    Now, I believe that this move is short-sighted and wrong-headed, but given a certain “cancer-ridden” prisoner’s return to his homeland, don’t you think this takes some seriously big balls to write?

  18. Bob Reed says:

    That’s true Cowboy…

    I’ll have to check their archives and see what the writer thought about that whole kettle of fish…

  19. Bob Reed says:

    edge,
    To begin with, the missiles that were going to be stationed at Kaliningrad would not be the kind that the proposed Polish battery would have been used to intercept. That would have been handled by the Patriot missile batteries that would most likely have been deployed with the US troops who would man the BMD installation; or perhaps the EU block interceptors.

    You see edge, that’s what was most important to the Polish and the Czech governments; the American soldiers stationed manning the installations

    Not only would these troops be a visible sign of the alliance between the US, NATO, and these nations, but the presence of US troops would make the Russians think twice before they pulled a move like they did in Georgia last year. You see edge, the Russians have a big enough army to push around the Georgians or bully the Ukranians and the Baltic states. But as big a legend as they are in your mind, and as occupied as our forces are in Iraq and Afghanistan, they would NEVER risk a full blown war with NATO and the US.

    Of course, your man Obama just made the situation exponentially more dangerous by throwing our allies under the bus. He’s given the Russians carte-blanche to do what they want, and puffed up their ego’s , and their predisposition to act aggresively, as well. And for that he got ZERO concessions.

    No help on Iran, No curbs on exporting weapons to Cuba and Venezuela, NOTHING! except maybe the promise of a photo op next week, where he can act like they cut a deal on reducing our nuclear arsenals, so our effin’ Narcissist-in-Chief can fulfill his nut-dream from college of NO-NUKES!

    And don’t talk to me of the joint chiefs. They’re politically savvy officers, who generally realize that regardless of what the President does the inertia will mean guarantee that things will resist quick change; so they sit there and act as yes men to make the President feel good about his agenda…

    Were on my terrirory now, Mr. MFA, and I’m here to tell you that Obama lied through his teeth in his brief statement. Those SM-3 missiles that he says will fill the bill will not catch long range missiles; the ICBM style fly too high and fast for the SM-3’s. And the Iranians put an effin’ satellite in orbit recently-REMEMBER? That means they can easily utilize the same system to deliver nuclear payloads!; and the SM-3 most likely won’t be able to stop them…

    And maybe more importantly, that battery was meant to intercept threats headed from western Asia towards to the US. DO you get it? The east coast is wide-the-fuck-open to missiles coming from western asia-THE MIDDLE-FUCKING-EAST-OR-SOUTHERN-RUSSIA, do you get it, champ?

    And please, spare me the missiles-coming-to-the eastern-US-travel-over-the-pole talking point that I’ve begun to hear already. That’s crazy talk by folks that know nothing about orbital mechanics and spheroid navigation; it just can’t happen that way…

    No, just like in his health care speech, Obama lied to the nation, and the world. He does it really smooth and all, but it was a bold faced lie designed to cover-up the fact that he was going to throw them under the bus ever since last February; just as he will do with the Israelis…

    That’s the reason your ad hominem tu quoque argument about cost is so much more absurd. What is the security of our nation worth? Especially when we’ve already developed the means to protect her? Especially when we’ve got the means to protect the brave people who chanced the Russians wrath in order to join our alliance. What is their freedom worth?

    Obama has brazenly lied about this affair. And he’s betrayed America, by refusing to give us the defense we are capable of. It’s as if we’ve gone to a gunfight with only one bullet in our gun, and our opponent has a machine gun with a full clip. Obama has ceded our advantage to the Russians, the Chinese, and anyone else with nuclear weapons who may choose to threaten our nation using an easterly flight path. And he wil recieve nothing of value for it. And the wort part is, I can’t tell whether that is his intent…

    Having shown them weakness by squandering our edge, their efforts will quicken, and they’ll be emboldened. They’ll respect us even less, the whole lot of them; because tyrants and strongmen, great and petty, only respect strength.

    With the batteries in place we could have dealt with them from a postion of strength, and used that leverage to convince them to see it our way. Instead, we’ll have Jimmybama Chamberlain waving worthless pieces of paper and waxing on in his sonourous baritone about how he has achieved, “Peace in our time…”

  20. Cowboy says:

    Great comment, Bob.

  21. Edgell McHickfistter says:

    It’s as if someone shuffled their feet in some cold war-era shag carpet and sent a massive static charge straight into Bob’s nipples! Something made his nips stand tall, that’s for sure, but it wasn’t the sweet nectar of Russian pussy, which I assure tastes like it was freshly picked from an orchard in heaven.

    Please, Moon Rocket Bob, stop stroking off onto pictures of ICBMs. It’s over. The Cold War is over. No mas Frio Bandito.

  22. deddy kennedy says:

    Axel !

    McRodlickker !!

    Pay attention, boy, and fetch me my jigger !!!

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