TimB recently visited comments to once again chide me for linking up Stacy McCain. He and others probably also induced Patterico, whom I respect, to question whether Stacy is a racist based on a statement that people naturally feel revolted by miscegenation. [But see Stacy for the context]
Jeff has a cogent analysis of the dialogical dynamics here, and revisits the linguistic issues here. Attila and Mike also weigh in on Stacy’s side.
Do I think that Stacy McCain is a racist? No, I don’t. I completely disagree with his unfortunate assertion that it is natural to be revolted by what is unalike, because that confuses the whole issue of cultural conditioning, which is otherwise central to the whole argument that Stacy is making in the piece from which the comment is extracted.
And it’s disappointing to see people playing capture the flag with one another’s integrity, yet again. I don’t particularly want to be a part of it, but as Stacy says, he’s compelled to join battle, because if one does not refute the charge of racism, one assents to the slaughter of one’s reputation in the public sphere. It is a death sentence (think about that expression) in the world of ideas. It’s also necessary that I write about it, because I know a little of the back story.
I have no personal animosity toward TimB. We’ve been generally civil to one another. But he’s been here warning me that I really don’t want to be contaminated by association with him. I believe that TimB sincerely believes that Stacy is a racist, based on the materials that he’s read, and based on the conversations that he’s been having over at Charles Johnson’s House of Dementia and elsewhere. It’s also clear–because Tim himself makes it clear in a comment at Patterico’s–that he’s been trying to rally support for a purge of Stacy for some time. Whether he recognizes this or not, this is concern trolling.
There’s another actor in this drama, a blogger of liberal sympathies, who’s been working behind the scenes and with whom I’ve been in contact. I know this person from his having once also been a commenter at Protein Wisdom. In his communications, he’s also expressed his (undoubtedly sincere) belief that Stacy is a racist, pointing to this post, and suggesting to me that (because we all like to think of ourselves as particularly scrupulous) I really ought to say something about it. I responded that I thought that the statement about a natural revulsion was absolutely wrong. So, I emailed Stacy who was then in Clay County Kentucky and said, I know you’re busy, but you really should respond to this stuff because it’s not going to go away. And it didn’t, obviously, though I imagine that the debate might have played out the same way, whether or not Stacy had taken my advice.
I’m not going to out the other blogger, nor am I going to entertain any speculation. I just want you to understand that this has been orchestrated for some time.
Jeff says, quite sensibly, that one could argue based on the evidence of the “death sentence” that at one time many years ago, Stacy McCain was a racist, or had racist sympathies, or what you will, but what is the use of that? Since he’s been blogging at The Other McCain, he hasn’t emitted a single utterance that I myself would consider to be racist. I certainly don’t want to be caught up in any kind of purge on behalf of Charles Johnson supporters. CJ has managed to conduct so many purges that he now occupies an infinitesimal portion of an enormously overlaid Venn diagram–way, way over there. He’s certainly welcome to his merry little band of Branch Chuckidians, and I have no interest in burning down his compound.
I can also understand why Pat finds that particular statement offensive, because I do, exactly in the same way that I find Ebonie Johnson Cooper’s statement of earlier this week offensive. Is she a racist, or did she simply express a sentiment that could be construed as racist? I checked out her church online: is Chris Matthews appalled at its apparent lack of diversity, I wonder?
And so this brings me to happyfeet, one of the most brilliant commenters in the whole ’sphere. He’s recently expressed dismay with the treatment of Kevin Jennings. And although I’ve smacked Jennings around some, I wasn’t willing to call for his firing based simply on the various accounts of his relation to the student identified as “Brewster” many years ago. In fact, I got The B-Cast to interview Charles Winecoff (whom I adore) who made the argument that you can hardly fault Jennings for not having ratted the kid out and that Harry Hay wasn’t included in a textbook that Jennings edited despite his associating with NAMBLA, rather than because of it. I have a great deal of sympathy for kids who are struggling to come to terms with gay sexuality, or who have suffered from prejudice because of their sexual orientation, the kids that happyfeet says seek refuge in the GSA chapter at their school. Where I part ways, though, is when they begin to distribute “fisting kits,” to recommend books with explicit sexual scenes in them, or to offer guides to gay bars. I simply don’t see how any of those things, particularly the last one, ought to be offered as part of any curriculum.
And I think that hf and I can disagree about this, if indeed he believes that the right, by and large, are conducting a witch hunt against Kevin Jennings due to homophobia, or in order to rally homophobes, or whatever, disguising their hateyness as principle. I’m not going to state categorically that there aren’t any, because I’m pretty sure that if I were to spend the time conducting a search, I could come up with a lot of self-described “conservative” blogs where that is the case.
Tim thinks that I was harsh toward him in the comments over at PW to the first of Jeff’s posts linked here, and maybe I was, but I really don’t like this backbiting, character assassination by innuendo, and guilt by association. So, fuck it. That’s all I hope to have to say on this subject.
Via Jeff’s latest, Juliette sums it up, nicely.
*******
I lied. One final word: Kevin Jennings could stop cocooning and do an interview, with someone reasonably tough, to respond to all of this stuff. He should.
When that kid was beaten to death in Chicago with a railroad tie splinter, Obama sent Arne Duncan and Axelrod. I don’t know what they did out there. Arne was responsible for those wonderful Chicago schools for a time. But if you’re going to have a School Safety Czar (or however you want to term it), then he probably should be out there responding to issues of school safety, instead of hunkering down.
The “fisting kit” hoax I think is a clue, Dan. This is a hate campaign. Simple as that. Kevin Jennings is a good guy that cares about kids, and there’s nothing to suggest that that’s not the case. Years-old problems wingnuts have with GLSEN are being used simply to prosecute a petty political game.
Hatey Michelle Malkin is a cable news whore whore whore what sees a juicy hate campaign and figures she can get a new car out of it. Fox News is very low rent to have that hateful skank on their airwaves i think.
There is no part of this that could not have been handled with civility and in a way that was not designed to incite hate.
“Fisting kits.”
Good God.
Anyway I just wanted to say hi I saw your comment. I am taking a break from the hatey hatey Internet. You people are gonna get people hurt.
I feel a Top Ten list of reasons happyfeet left the hatey Right Wing coming on.
Do it happyf!
The darkside is where the hot hippie chicks are, plus we have a ska/funk/reggae band playing and nobody has to drink grape flavored Aide to get into our parties, not to mention the pharmaceutical grade cannabis that’s freely passed around.
And I would say that if you don’t want to attract hate and indignation, you probably shouldn’t be handing out guides to bars of any sort to high schoolers. Fistgate seems to have been gestating since 2001, which is a nifty trick for a manufactured scandal.
I’m sure that caring about kids part is right, ‘feets. Thing is, his judgment is as horrific as the advice he has a long history of offering.
Sure, dental dam! Not fisting. Yay.
If you teach my teenage daughter how to “responsibly” toss some guy’s salad, our next encounter is not going to go very badly for you. That’s my little rule, and it would equally apply regarding my teenage son if I had one.
What I definitely wouldn’t do is put you in charge of keeping my kids safe, mostly because one key component of MY keeping my kids safe would be to ensure that they aren’t taking your advice.
Whoops. That “not” shouldn’t be in there. An asskicking would.
I forgot to say thank you for the brilliant part. Thank you.
Feet–do you have any sources on the allegation that the fisting kit was a hoax?
I’ve been having a hell of a time getting information on Jennings that isn’t either from a hard left or a hard right perspective. That’s why I haven’t blogged on him.
I don’t know as McCain is a racist or not, but I think he’s a Moonie.
The answer is SEK.
You’re welcome.
I’m not sure about the etiquette here. Do I have to wait till he shows up to (truthfully) deny it?
Boy, Jeff sure is around a lot when the subject of email I didn’t write comes up. Odd, isn’t it?
So I take it, then, that Jeff’s not ever going to acknowledge his error? Why am I not surprised?
Papa Collins once said to me, “lots of people say you can best judge a person by who their friends are. But I would suggest you can judge a person better based on who their enemies are.”
Joy, the “fisting kit” pictured contains instructions on how to make the enclosed glove into a dental dam. Which would not involve a fist jammed up one’s ass. What sort of assplay it would involve may be best left to your imagination.
Joy,
It’s a tool for safe sex. Teens, gay and straight, engage in various sexual activities and thus many people find it uncontroversial for them to get materials and knowledge about doing these safely.
So if I’m reading this right, the supposed “hoax” aspect has to do with right-wingers calling it a “fisting kit,” when in fact it was supposedly a dental dam kit?
But then do not understand why, if oral sex were the intention, they wouldn’t simply distribute non-spermicidal condoms and *actual* dental dams?
I mean, I get that teenagers have sex. I was actually a teenager myself once–about 500 years ago. But what I’m saying is that I am having trouble finding out, from unbiased sources, what *actually happened* with this group: It’s like seeing through a glass darkly, since everything seems to be filtered through a lens of near hysteria on either side. (e.g., what were the alleged ties to NAMBLA? How was this reading list handled?–was it simply available to kids who asked for the material? Or was it offered? Were there warnings about middle-aged predators, or was it more like, “anything goes”?)
“But then do not understand why, if oral sex were the intention, they wouldn’t simply distribute non-spermicidal condoms and *actual* dental dams?”
Because it is an educational tool, the purpose of which is to teach how to make a dental dam. It’s not really a “kit” and it’s not really about “fisting.” That’s the hoax.
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To be honestly, I’d never even heard of the fisting kits think until I read that it was a hoax.
Not a “broad” hoax if someone of pretty heavy internet reading has never heard of it.
I suppose the Jennings thing just didn’t make much traction with me. I heard about the books, but when I looked at the website it didn’t appear that they were pushing these books on unsuspecting kids, etc.
Inappropriate? Yes. But, it was a booklist, not a curriculum.
I knew there was something behind this attempt to drag RSM in the mud over a 13 year old quote. Now the question is what does Patterico have to gain by joining the chorus? We know why Chucky J did it. Is Patterico thinking of pulling the same?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; it’s vile that Patterico decided to “out” RSM this way. A phone call or an email asking him to explain would have been better. It makes Patterico look no better than scum.
In retrospect, Pat probably believes that that’s the case, baxtrice, but I think that when he wrote he was convinced that it was important to demonstrate that a right-blogger would apply the same kind of scrutiny to the comments of one of their own that they would to someone who disagreed with them. So, let’s not impose a vicious intention on Patterico, either.
When you put it that way Dan, this seems more of a demonstration of Patterico trying to prove something to others – instead of really getting down to the facts of the situation. And if what you are musing in your comment is true, then Pat truly is following the path set by Chucky J. It wasn’t long ago that Chucky was calling out other right-bloggers because he didn’t agree with what they were saying. History is there for a reason, even recent history – we must learn from it or suffer the same consequences.
Dan,
I wrote this over at Jeff’s but it seems appropriate here.
“IRT the Frey/McCain battle, the scripture “Judge ye not lest ye be judged†comes to mind. The scripture was not a commandment against making judgements it was guidance to be careful about the standard we apply in making a judgement about someone.
It matters of determining the intention of a statement it is best to apply a charitable interpretation, especially if you do not have all of the information (context, history, etc) available to make a reasonably certain decision about the statement.
Pat could have e-mailed RSM privately and shared his concerns about the statement thus allowing him to explain his intention but he decided to make it into a big public debate. Am I to apply a charitable interpretation of his intentions(i.e. sincere discussion of racial issues)or should I apply the same level (or lack) of charity he gave RSM, which might lead me to conclude that he wanted the benefit of a big blowout which resulted in lots of attention and hits at his site.”
It has a few run-on sentences but I’m suffering a head cold right now.
Well said Danger,
I can appreciate your outlook here.
A lso saw your comment on the other thread, and am trying to determine what course of action I should take.
I hope your cold passes quickly, especially before you meet the family in Bavaria
All the best
Thanks Bob,
I also noted down thread that thor has stooped to sock-puppeting JeffG.
I guess I will be next. Heck for all I know it already has happened.
Dan,
perhaps you should consider going to a commenter registration requirement. Your site has an anchor holding it back.
I think he went through 3 or 4 different identities yesterday! And there’s a bit of resentment over being spurned in play also…
At the bottom of the thread he’s linking to the Sex Pistols! I wonder if the 80’s are back?
I have to admit that he got me going over some comments besmirching the Navy, and others along that line. In my anger I may have returned fire, so to speak, in a way that was not exactly gentlemanly; I need to take a deep breath sometimes and remember to argue, without being argumentative-and to disagree without being disagreeable…
I need to stay away from the dark side…
Wait…Was that a racist comment?!?
Patterico owes no such courtesy to RSM, who, by the way, has never asked others to explain their intentionalist-intent before blasting away at them.
Eff Negro-hating RSM and fuck that silly ass intentionalist bullshit as well.
Intentionalism as practiced by Ghoster Goldstein and his shit fly swarm is simply the necessary theoretical excuse needed so that when you say something you can turn around and deny its what you said all in a effort to never suffer the consequences of one’s words. It’s the hokey doke! The rip tide backstroke! The forked tongue side step!
HAhahaha.
You used the word Negro, without the prerequisite blackness being confirmed…o
RAAAAAAAACIST!
See how easy that is to sling around? My point, bwah…
No.
I don’t care that the KKK rode at night and denied their identities in the light of day. They, like you, thought/think denialism oh-so cute. Cute changes nothing.
You got punked off SEK’s board same as I punk ya here and for the same damn reason. Cry, squirm, sally forth and gush, it matters not. Your bull turd don’t fly, son.
You Lie!
Ha! I get “punked” off no boards, bwah…
I get punked in NO way in life; I live a blessed existence, sharing the graces I’ve been given with others-the way it’s supposed to be…
Did you ever notice that no one even responds to your comments at SEK’s? That, even amongst those you believe to be your ideological allies, your deranged comments mean nothing!; that they would respond to the balanced and finely articulated arguments of a “winged winger winging wingery wingz” more readily than one who gushingly attested to their deeply held, but forbidden, Obama love crush on the very same boards..?
Face it; pwn3d, own3d, and bitter is no way to go through life…
Come to the righteous side, allow me to take you on a transcendant journey of ideas and truths…
Yes, bwah; as I’ve offered, I will be your Bodhisattva!.
I mean, it’s the least I could do, as your better…
“Thor, that post on Goldstein was the most beautiful distillation I ever saw. Kudos.”
Posted by: Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain | Tuesday, 01 December 2009 at 06:09 AM
“As Snowcone pointed out, Bob is also addicted to silly, self-deluding rationalizations to explain his racist outburts and silly ‘facts.’”
Posted by: Richard Pennyfarthing | Monday, 30 November 2009 at 02:10 PM
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Gee, Bob, over at SEK’s they actually seem rather enthusiastic about my posts, but of you, not so much.
Hot tears in Bob-land.
I’ll be fishing today. And you seem to be coming unwound a bit so maybe you need a healthy respite from the near daily punkage you endure.
All The Best.
PS. I’ll teach you some knew words when I get back, I promise.
I’m man enough to admit I was apparently wrong, and that folks responded to you once or twice…
But how pathetic is it that you save that, as well as all of your own, commentary..?
Wake up! Smell the coffee! See the light! I’ll lead you there!
Have fun fishing…
You’re all of a piece, boi! I think you’ve found a home.
Of course it’s not “hatey” at all to call Michelle Malkin a cable news whore. To quote someone supposedly brilliant “You people are gonna get someone hurt.”
You know, I haven’t seen it yet, but I understand that Michelle Malkin was on Hannity’s show last night, talking about Jennings. Don’t you think it might have been a good idea for Hannity to try to get Jennings? That’s pretty much the same thing that many people are saying with regard to Patterico and McCain.
That probably would be a good idea, as you said in your update Jennings might not look so bad if he would defend his actions. But I think this stategy goes beyond him to the whole adminastration. A just ignore the “wingnuts” and they’ll go away plan. Does’nt seem to be real effective though.
“I completely disagree with his unfortunate assertion that it is natural to be revolted by what is unalike,”
As I pointed out at PW, “natural” can mean more than one thing. The more contemporary meaning implies “good” or “without blame.” But it’s also possible that for the purposes of his audience, RSM was using “natural” to mean “tied into the limbic system” or something in the evo-psych field.
In which case, RSM’s intent veers away from racism and instead addresses the affect of race on inborn tribalism and other such questions.
Because of the “if it feels good, do it” counter-cultural meme, we’re conditioned to see “natural” as something not to be ashamed of.
But RSM wasn’t arguing with the general populace, he was arguing with people possessing various degrees of actual racism. He appears to be splitting a hair that usually doesn’t get split in public.
Maybe if I get caught up on my sleep I’ll read that old usenet thread and see what I can come up with.
Thanks, dicentra. What degree of revulsion are we supposed to be looking for, after all, that would be natural? The Bounty mutineers don’t seem to have had a lot of revulsion to Polynesian women. Yeah, I know, maybe they would have settled for sheep after being on a ship for that long. Maybe not.
I can say that, given my very little exposure to them, I’m not particularly attracted to Pygmy women. If a hypothetical brother of mine married a Pygmy woman and had little Caucaso-Pygmy babies, I bet I’d find them darling.
It’s true, on the other hand, that I find children who remind me of my own more attractive than others. This isn’t so much a matter of color, though, as it is of demeanor. I simply do not understand tractability, and floppiness I find repugnant. You’re right, though, that it’s a question worth considering. If I had a “type,” it would probably be Latinas. But I’m married to a redheaded Irishwoman, and I find her (and her “type” very attractive, too). Maybe it’s the result of having been exposed to images of Sophia Loren at a young age? Honestly, I don’t know. Or maybe the legend of the “Black Irish” is true and I’m reverting to my Spanish roots. Can’t say.
“addresses the affect of race”
addresses the “effect” of race, should be.
You see it wrong often enough, you can’t tell anymore without thinking hard.
One quibble, Dan. I am not a member of LGF and have never registered with them or commented there. My sole visit was to listen to Alan Colmes and RSM.
Personally, RSM offends me on a basic, human level and I want him out of, relatively, mainstream politics. Racists and supporters of treason have no place in my ideal two party system.
It is funny to me that you think I am part of a vast plot, since RSM’s racists sympathies are well-known (For instance macgruder posted them at PW just a couple of days ago and in the left blogosphere.
I’m a grown up and, when someone posts a link, I can go read. It’s what I did on that guy. You can call it concern trolling all you want, but the right wing would be a far more interesting place if people like McCain were considered part of the fringe, rather than a Tea Partying patriot and people who read what he has written weren’t dismissed because you don’t like my idea of tax policy.
Again, thanks for your time.
Fair enough, Tim. I can’t see into your heart, either. Like everyone, I am prejudiced. Like everyone, I am perjured.
Kind of depends on who’s defining treason. Hint: the British Army of the period NEVER referred to George Washington as “Father of His Country”.
Heck, Kipling wasn’t over it in the 1900s.
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So, RSM should be kicked out of the “right wing?”
What does that even mean?
I’ll compile my list of those on the “left wing” whom I find offensive, and I’ll await their “purge.”
“Personally, RSM offends me on a basic, human level and I want him out of, relatively, mainstream politics.”
So who died and made you fucking God Almighty, moron?
Do I think that Stacy McCain is a racist? No, I don’t. I completely disagree with his unfortunate assertion that it is natural to be revolted by what is unalike, because that confuses the whole issue of cultural conditioning, which is otherwise central to the whole argument that Stacy is making in the piece from which the comment is extracted.
To me, that statement of McCain’s is just a went-to-college version of “Do you want your daughter to marry a …?” If he’s “grown” since then, fine. But if he won’t stick up for his good name, why should anyone else?
carin,
you don’t know what right wing means. How cute. Your blogroll demonstrates otherwise. but, when your purge is done, maybe we can discuss it as we talk about how RSM wrote a series of posts on why Emmett Till’s murder “overblown” by the Civil Rights movement and was not a “public crime.” if you have something that can match that level of disgusting, I’m sure we can agree on whom to purge.
lazurus,
Aren’t you a nice addition to the PW fan club? Simpering, angry, profane…is he cloning from a prototype or what?
As to your silly comment: I was unaware one had to be God to have wants. Won’t the kids be disappointed this Christmas when they learn they either have to blaspheme and declare themselves God or not have wishes. C’es la vie, eh?
Carin can not only match RSM, she can do him one better, eh Carin.
Timb wants me out, too.
After all, it’s his world, and it all exists to make him feel comfortable with himself. And the world would be totally super duper — and super comfortable — if the wingnuts who bother him were replaced by the wingnuts who cater more to his tastes. That way, he could show everybody how very open minded he is!
Instead, he’s reduced to wandering the blogosphere, posting shit about me and my commenters whenever my name turns up.
So very very pathetic, it is.
Sorry, timb. WE’RE HERE AND WE’RE QUEER! GET USED TO IT!
And what have you been reduced to, Goldstein? Hosting a thor’s-mom-sucks-cock-in-hell website? Haha. Your patheticism has the discipline of a parasite, Ghoster G.
I’m right here. If you wish to announce further false claims of my posting on your website, pojalsta fine Sir, be my guest. Is truth independent of a narrative, inquisitive minds want to know.
You Lie!
You suck America dry like a swamp leech on a milk titty.
And you just suck; see I can do that too…
Even an ignorant rube like me knows Satan has far better taste in women….
Hmmm. I’ve always enjoyed Mr. Feets’ ironical comments @ PW and other places. Many times, however, he’s called various politicians whom he doen’t like “gay” (Lindsay Graham)there seems to be some disconnect. He even seemed to agree that crossed the line with his “coward” description of Sen McCain, but ge’s back to doing it. Used to be that a day without Mr. Feets’ ironical observations was a day without sunshine. Now, he’s scroll-over material
TimB, perfecting the right wing since 12/09.
How ever can we thank you, Timmah!?
“As to your silly comment: I was unaware one had to be God to have wants.”
You wouldn’t, you fascist moron.
Fuck Robert Stacy McCain.
I’m sure he’d say the same thing about you, if he knew you existed…
Go peddle you phony accusations of RAAAAAAACISM! somewhere they wanna hear it. Maybe you and timb can perform a two man act; as well as talk about how racist all the wingerz are!
Suck the racism from your joystick. Give our troops a chance.
What was your MOS or Designator? Answers, pojalsta…
Oh, and try using your real name and IP; it’ll give you some credibility.
We ain’t dating. Name and number denied.
I wouldn’t want people to be subject to the “natural revulsion” that would accompany our interracial relationship, whitey…
Whatever, Blackie O!
That’s still as amusing an appelation as the day I first used it…
And still contains not one iota of racist intent, conscious or otherwise. For someone that fancies himself such a swag-meister, you sure are thin skinned; and prone to throwing around charges of racists and racism in an arbitrary and capricious manner.
Didn’t you ever read the story of the boy who cried wolf?
Oh, and if RS McCain is guilty of racism basedon this more than 10 year old observation, than so is Obama based on his “typical white person” remark that opportunely painted his granny; who gave her all to raise him after his socialist lovin internationalist wannabe mother checked out…
There’s a long line of character in that bunch I can see…
There’s a distinction in the eyes of the court between those who threw the rope over the tree and those who administered the noose and those who raised the innocent Nigger from his toes and those who merely stared smilingly.
Degrees of separation.
Which are/were you, Bob?
C’mon, teepee Bob, name just one Nigger who you think might be smarter than half-white you. RSM is reading, I dare ya.
“Early morning, April 4
Shot rings out in the Memphis sky
Free at last, they took your life
They could not take your pride”
Try again, you sneering blasphemous half-white.
Thomas Sowell immediately comes to mind. So does John McWhorter, Walter Williams, and Larry Elder.
Your vile use of the “N” word proves who is really the racist here…
You got the question wrong, Bob. I didn’t say those that share your silly-assed, extremist, totally defeated conservative politics, I said smarter. But I did wonder why you didn’t mention Clarence Thomas. Was that because you thought RSM might read your post and recall Justice Thomas has a white wife which would cause RSM to violently vomit all over himself?
Hahaha. Bleeech!
A Sir Arthur Lewis type was what I was after, but of course in your Southern Confederate fishbowl world you probably know of no Sir Arthur Lewis types, or at least can’t admit to such. HA!
I didn’t mention Justice Thomas because I knew you’d be screaming something about “Uncle Tom”; you know, the standard meme for dealing with his mention. And we all know how highly you scored in troll scholl, and always stick to SOP…
Anyone of those guys I mentioned are orders of magnotude better thinkers than you. They are your better, bwah!
?
I have no idea who you are or what it is you’re talking about.
Feigned ignorance holds to sway in the court of thor.
Some months back someone – a kid in Arizona as was later learned – posted crap that evidently insulted not only you but your kid – I can’t say exactly what is was since I never read it. You deleted posts offensive to you and yours while leaving up all posts blaming me, including crap like “thor’s Mom sucks cock in hell.” It’s not like I didn’t take the time to email and inform you that I wasn’t responsible for said posts and that without exception quit posting on PW. Hey, but who cares when the game being played is about group-thinkers casting group-judgments. Play it up! For the tips!
You’re nobody’s hero and no victim: you simply play the role in hopes that a few spared dollars might adorn your sweaty g-string.
That’s what I’m talking about, Ghoster G.
to = no
Ah. So I’m in it solely for the money, then.
Gotcha. Guess the only seemly way to make a living is buy low, sell high. The poetic should be free. For art’s sake. Because of the delectable russian tang and all.
Sell whatever you want, Jeff, but when you’re selling my objectification you should cut some of the vig. Haha.
At least for a time you allowed the last of the big time penetrators to turn your concomitant into a muddy puddle of collective tears. Good times.
Delectable enough.
I sure do hope “James Phelan” is thor.
Nothing is more delicious than watching thor, with his self-styled genius intellect, forced to tether himself to submoronic gashes like timb in order to find a sympathetic ear.
says the man who has yoked himself to Robert Stacy McCain.
God, you are a tedious little man, Goldstein
timb —
As everyone everywhere will tell you — irrespective of whether they like me or loathe me — you simply don’t have the aptitude to speak to me.
You’ve made a name for yourself going from site to site calling people racists and agitating for purges.
At least in this venue, that’s what you’ll always been known for, and even then, only by the vanishingly few who will bother to remember you at all.
I’m surprised you raised your aptitude here, you big bad antifoundationlist. You weren’t even familiar with my MFA-ish citations from Derrida’s Plato’s Pharmacy last we spoke of interpretation.
What the fuck do you actually know of Derrida if you don’t know that text, red cape jokes aside?
http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=15076#comments
Wear Dennis Prager tight and cute around your hips and ass.
Fuck you. You always allowed persons to use my nick and now I own yours.
Just when I thought you couldn’t go any lower…
If your too much of a pussy to use your own name, and not hide behind a proxy server, the least you could do is not co-opt other people’s actual names…
How was Jeff supposed to know it wasn’t you, when all the internet supermen hide behing proxies and ever changing names…
Goldstein, this site exists BECAUSE you are a tedious little man.
Maybe Enoch is nice enough to forget how you treated him, maybe Dan likewise, but I was willing to make my comments to you and at your site until you threw a hissy fit.
Here’s a hint: until you stop being an asshole, people will still accuse you of being of an asshole.
As for racism, [one more time for Bob "I'm too lazy to click a link" Reed] I only accuse the guy who doesn’t opposes miscegenation, the guy who defended slavery and compared Harriett Tubman to Goebbels, the guy who claimed Emmet Till’s death was “overblown” by the Civil Rights movement, and the guy who wrote an article talking about “white, racial suicide” of being a racist. You’re not a racist; you are just willing to defend one because Patterico was mean to you.
It’s funny, because I never knew how much you relied on sycophants. The idea that my ideas are invalid, because a small number of your ass-kissers don’t like it, especially after I read this eloquent “blogging is not about ideas any more. It’s about traffic and pecking order” whining?
Well, let’s add ideas to the list of things no longer about ideas, since they too are contingent on “traffic” and the number of adherents.
So, hypocrisy too. Is there a character flaw you do not have?
No, Timmah!, your ideas are invalid because you’re an idiot whose grip on reality is tenuous at best. Pity that you’ve yet to figure that out.
Why do you have to bring my name into this. I’ve never seen any link of which you speak. But I do know that you seem to have an almost pathological obsesion with denigrating Jeff Goldstein wherever you can possibly do so.
I’m aware of your side of this discussion, and in lieu of seeing any credible evidence will probably refrain from damning someone as an evil racist; a card played way too fast and loose in our nation these days.
And, are you planning to prganize a vendetta against this site now too? Since Dan won’t join in your boycott of McCain?
timb – just a note – I have not forgotten. I have forgiven. And I assure you, knowing Dan as I do, he has done the same. The point for me is that I don’t see the use in engaging someone (anyone) when it becomes clear that we are at impasse. So, when it becomes clear there will be no breakthrough (re: N Korea and the US, Iran and the US, etc), I just avoid as is prudent. When the cost/benefit of tangling antlers is not at all there, I just move on. So, I don’t forget – I try to forgive. Forgetting is for the stupid. Forgiveness is for the Christian. And just so no other cans of worms are opened for me saying so: whether or not one’s “trespassers” want and/or expect it and/or think it at all necessary is to miss the point. Forgiving another is about getting over oneself, you see. And resisting the prideful impulse to not just be seen as right in the eyes of others – but to resist wanting to let everyone else you have been wronged.
Mostly, when I think of the JeffG “excitment”, I am saddened – because it was unnecessary – and it was scandalous, as we say in the Faith. And then when I really listened – not to myself – but really listened, I was shown the proper way for everyone’s sake. Like it or not, PW is Jeff’s place, as this is Dan’s place. And I didn’t really wish to continue to be like an interloper who won’t go home – or at least elsewhere.
TimB, Jeff hasn’t posted here at all today, judging by the address. His monicker’s been used.
“James Phelan” is indeed thor.
And by the way, thanks for the excellent article, Dan.
““James Phelan†is indeed thor.”
So he hasn’t sought out the professional help I’ve been urging him to get?
Lazarus, SEAL Team 6 has higher value targets….hell, ragpickers have higher value targets…
I feel a natural revulsion at someone telling me what I should think about someone else.
I’ve been reading McCain for some time. The man has a body of work which tells me “not a racist” – even if he is an Alabama fan.
“Body of Work” is what matters to me.
Seems to me Stacy-boi loves the fray, jumps to lash!
http://rsmccain.blogspot.com/2009/08/gryphen-files-give-jesse-enough-rope.html
Unless it’s Stacy tied to the whipping post. Frowns all around, a fence post ain’t right, ain’t fair a’tall, from a merciless whip simply ain’t where a proud white Southern gentleman gets his deserved comeuppance!
Such is beyond the South’s hospitable traditions!
Hey, Stacy, on your hands and knees, there’s one more thing you really need.
People may take you more seriously if you started using your actual name and stopped playing proxy games. MAN UP!, unless, well, you know…
Ah, so it is thor.
Well then, let me say this. Thor may have gotten lumped in with others posting on my site because he took to using a proxy server used — always — by trolls. And these trolls used a variety of names and email addresses, in addition to the proxy server, to get around bans.
If thor got lumped in with them — that is to say, if I accused him of making comments he didn’t make and stuck to that (I don’t remember doing so, merely pointing out that his comments came from the same IP address) — then I apologize.
On the other hand, you’d think thor would be willing to shoulder some of the responsibility, given his consistent, vile, and puerile attacks on members of the community, which were issued using proxy IPs.
Or not.
Oddly Das Tohr has been doing the same thing here. That is, seemingly going to painful ends to change his handle, IP, etc. Weird thing is this: Dan has refrained from even threatening to ban him (as far as I know) – so there seems no need to do so.
Nonetheless, he very, very, very rarely says anything that is not vile – and given our history together, I am sure you can appreciate that for me to think of something as “vile” is really quite something.
But I would refer you to this discussion re Trolls: http://powip.com/2009/11/ponderings-on-the-life-and-etiquette-of-trolls/
It really is a fascinating subject.
Good tidings to you and yours.
Rebooting earns me a new IP. Want to feel my boot? Haha.
Nobody can hijack my name if it’s fresh and new. Hmm?
Mystery solved, eh, tech guy.
You Lie! It wouldn’t earn you an IP from a proxy service site…
Here’s a novel thought; try the truth for a change. Start with your real name, e-mail, and no proxy ID. Than let’s see how much of an internet tough guy you are…
HAhaha, well, OK then, your half-apology is half-accepted. Maybe I was confused because I sensed smearing people was the ultimate fashion rage on PW. Maybe too stylish, my festoons! I didn’t know!
“Attacks on members of the community!” Communists believe in community. Were you raised on a kibbutz and the fed community organizing treacheries of Alinsky! Huh?
Who cares if you were is my opinion.
If one can not not know what they’re knowing, the all knowing can not know what?
I know not.
the fed = fed the
Better to edit BEFORE you have to re-read what you’ve posted.
Actually, I wasn’t around much. So when I started removing stuff that needed removing, in my estimation, I did so en masse using IP addresses.
As I say, you must have been sharing a proxy with a number of other folks who wished to avoid singular detection, and at the time, this was all new to me.
Still, it was amazing the similarity is message between all those who shared IP addresses.
Just as I’m amazed at the similarity of message from all those who used to hang out at my site once they leave: I’m all about the money, I don’t countenance dissent, etc., etc. This coming sometimes from people I inadvertently went to war over. Meaning, thor, that I refused to ban you upon Karl’s request, and tried hard to keep you around until your postings became nothing more than vividly rendered and often times pornographic personal attacks on people who were helping me out by keeping the site going.
I even prompted you to post on The Pub, if I remember correctly.
And so it strikes me as in the height of bad taste to suggest, now that you’re gone, that I chose blogging as a money-making endeavor.
I hope to make enough to get by on, sure. But hell, I haven’t run ads in several years, I don’t keep track of my traffic, and everything I’ve received over the last few years has been strictly voluntary.
If you’re all about the market like you claim to be, why the attempt to stain me as a philistine?
The disconnect is often quite astounding.
You have your tense wrong. It wasn’t post-thor that I began suggesting money-making was a priority.
I always encouraged you to write for the dollar. You should’a sold shares in Outlaw Media to the coalition of the willing. This I suggested. Make ‘em pay with blood and tits, I’m a believer in that racket.
Yes you allowed me to publish in your Pub. But my ball-wagging creates traffic like no other set. Hahaha. Not my fault that you couldn’t stomach the estrogen prostrations.
I’m not bitter. And you’re not a Philistine, you’re fuckin’ paranoid. HAhaa.
Yeah, you did encourage him to post at the pub…. and hopefully the result will continue to deter you from making THAT mistake again.
As for the multiple IP’s / handles, this poster child for megalomania knows that given any choice people would Trollhammer him into the slime and never see him again… and he’s all about imposing his choices on everyone else. It’s why he swings left.
“James Phelan says: December 10, 2009 at 4:00 pm”
Yep, crazier than a shithouse rat.
“On the other hand, you’d think thor would be willing to shoulder some of the responsibility,….”
Oh, Jeff, you are funny
That’s why I like your stuff.
Go lick the lonesomeness off another soldier boy’s jizz-tipped boner, P’brain. It might help heal your longing to belong.
Onward Russkiye soldats marching into war…
Sing it!
pojalsta , is a nice little term and tell. Used over and over, here, here, here, and here 10th comment down.
whore boi, you are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to lick the sand from my son’s combat boot.
The term that has been used to describe you, consistantly, on this thread is “vile”.
The definition of “vile”
1. wretchedly bad
2. highly offensive, unpleasant, or objectionable
3. repulsive or disgusting, as to the senses or feelings
4. morally debased, depraved, or despicable
5. foul; filthy
6. poor; wretched
7. of mean or low condition
8. menial; lowly
9. degraded; ignominious
10. of little value or account
But on the plus side, whore-boi, you’re a ‘10′
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
I’m a big happyfeet fan, too. Unfortunately, we probably disagree about the Kevin Jennings matter so I suggest we compromise by blaming Obama: Jennings’ background is too extreme for an appointment as high-profile as ‘Safe Schools Czar,’ and someone in the Obama Administration should have realized that.
Actually, DRJ, I blame Carter…. who decided that we needed a Federal DOE in the first place. And when the pubic screwels get to a 90% success rate in teaching reading, writing, etc. we can talk about any OTHER mission they might undertake.
Until then, I’ll continue to maintain that putting your kid in their clutches is de facto child abuse.
thank you DRJ… but it’s not *that* Mr. Jennings’ is being criticized it’s *how.* Jim Hoft and Michelle Malkin are very irresponsible and hatey people what help make our little country suck harder than is necessary. What was wrong with the facts in this case… why is so much innuendo and hyperbole required? I don’t get it. Our little country is is being dessicated of prosperity and pride by vampirey dirty socialists and shrieky Michelle and Jim the pasty shut-in are perpetrating a fisting hoax on the American public.
And now Cap’n Ed wants to carry a baton in the hatey parade. If you were to ask me if homey played that way I think it wasn’t long ago when I would have said no, I don’t believe homey plays that way.
Damn if homey don’t play that way.
oops.. that should have been fisting *kit* hoax…
You are correct happyfeet,
While I may not agree with Jennings lifestyle choices, or even some of his public policy ideas, this is not a matter to be “witch hunted” when there are so much larger fish to fry…
It’s up to folks like us to ensure that *our* side of political spectrum doesn’t go down this path. It was enough to wonder aloud why they didn’t simply distribute the usual and customaty equipmet in the first place, and allow others to make judgemnts based on the facts.
All I would ask is not to allow all of this to dis-spirit you to the point of withdrawing from the entire debate. Not only is your commentary a delight to read, but in what others may often see as simply ironic turns of the phrase lie the kernals of truth that needs to be part of the debate.
C’mon bro, don’t withdraw into that X-box universe completely on account of some over-the-top zeal. Stay in the game!; becxause that’s the only way that you can really effect the outcome…
Be Cool!
Bob is a wise man Happy 8^)
I would pay for counsel of that quality.
btw Bob,
How do I navigate to the recent comments here? It is hard to keep up with your mad typing speed without a technological assist.
howdy, Danger – there’s a recent comments thingy top right, and I just put December 11 in the firefox ctrl +f “find” thinger and next next next to make sure I didn’t miss anything.
I usually rely on the recent comments side bar. Like at PW, clicking on an entry takes you directly to the comment in question. Admittedly though, on longer and more intense threads it gets tough to keep up…
I suppose the RSS feed-email notification check box-could help out a bit. But I just keep perusing the comments from time-to-time to look for stuff I may have missed before…
I’ve been out of the loop for a week or so though. My 84 year old MIL was ill, and I needed to help her out a bit with Dr appointments, filling the ’scripts and such, in addition to just keeping an eye on the old gal. Also, being nearly Christmas, the activity at some of our Church outreach missions has been demanding of my time; something I have the luxury of giving. Between preparing and delivering Thansgiving stuff, and preparing the Christmas food and gift deliveries to those folks is a committmemt-one I’m happy to make.
And all that doesn’t take into account getting stuff for my large family and all of the social obligations the holiday season on Long Island present!
So long story short, I just slug through the threads when catching up, or when it’s a rhetorical furball. Other than that, I click on the sidebar.
thank you, Bob… tremendously, really – and I’ll be back… I shouldn’t blog angry though… I snapped at Darleen something awful.
I’m sort of … incensed at the hypocrisy of decrying the manifest hate campaign against Sarah Palin while Team R is inventing “fisting kits.”
I don’t get why we can’t just tell the Kevster hey we have our eye on you… the comments at Gateway’s site are really not America, and I would just have to ask Mr. Hoft and his First Things pals… if this isn’t a hate campaign, what would one look like do you suppose?
I’ll get over it and the day will come when I will say…
Let us not speak of this again.
That’s exactly how I’ll say it too. I’ve been practicing.
That’s cool. And I’m sure Darleen understands that it’s something you feel strongly about, the hypocrisy you’re speaking to.
Besides, with all of the stuff going on no one needs to be manufacturing Outrage!; if you want a piece of some there’s plenty to go around.
Unfortunately, some people are trying to ride the discontent with Mr. Obama’s policies for their own personal benefit; when they should be putting the needs of the nation first-ahead of any partisan politicking or party posturing. Me? I try to make sure that it’s the policies I oppose and not the person; I can’t stand the making the political, personal, kind of stuff.
I aso appreciate your outlook. Esecially the way you speak against the “hatey parade” against Palin, regardless of the personal opinion you hold of her ability to effectively govern. That speaks volumes about your character…
By the way, what do you play on the ol’ X-box. You know I’ve never even used one? I’ve seen my nephew’s though, and it looks like you’re watching a movie!
Me, I play boring ass war strategy games; a shockah! I know
They aren’t much to look at visually. But I also enjoy Madden Football very much; I use my computer to play that stuff.
I’m glad to hear that, like Mac Arthur, you shall return. And I’ll agree to never speak of this again after this thread, like time, passes…
Thanks for the tip , it looks like the recent comments section is a little more functional than Jeff’s but there are still not enough entries available for busy nights with multiple threads active. (hint, hint Dan)
Feets,
one of these days I will install firefox to take advantage of some of the functions you mentioned.
The Xbox isn’t actually hooked up since I don’t have a tv anymore. But after I move next spring I’ll probably get a tv again, maybe… Gaming is something I need to do more of… the X-box LIVE platform is the future I think. Here’s a fun one I played before Thanksgiving instead of analyzing canned fruit purchasing behaviors. It’s very satisfying somehow.
G’night Bob,
Gnight Feets,
Great talking to both of ya!
Which ones do you recommend/like. I used to do board wargaming many years ago. Haven’t paid much attention to the vid-games since my son grew-up and left the house. Most things I see are shoot-em-up types and my reflexes aren’t what the used to be so I take a pass.
Dan/Enoch, that the boil on the ass of your blog fancies itself some sort of shapeshifter is one thing. That it insists on assuming another’s identity, particularly on a post concerning said person, is deeply unkosher and ought to be rectified.
I agree. It is despicable. But it is up to Dan as to what to do about it.
I’ve taken him to task over that several times in this comment thread. If he wants to make up cutsie pie names that he believes enhances his edginess, well, whatever…
But assuming the name of a living person, especially one that-as Pablo noted-is active on this same thread, is crossing a boundary of sorts.
I SAY BURN THE WITCH!
I say, GO FUCK OFF, Vomit BOB, wittle space cowboy.
You didn’t seem to have a problem when my nick was being used over on PW, did ya, huh, hippoKKKrit!
Here’s something that’s sure to make you york chowder.
Her Mom’s white and her Dad’s black, or maybe her Dad’s white and her Mom’s black – Heave Your Tummy Chunks At Her!
In Texas, Austin City Limits, no less, uhhhhhgaaaaruhblaaaaaych! twotwo, blaaaaaeeech!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M34iZH4-qkI
Puke up, doggie!
Ooops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiSQ8QCeM-A&feature=related
Hahaha.
You Siamese dicks, shut up.
As a matter of fact I did have a problem with someone masquerading as you at PW; as I would with anybody.
And why would I of all people have a problem with interracial marriage; it’s in my effin’ background, jeen-yutz!
Maybe you’re just projecting again…
Just like with the “hick-tard” schwaggery…
TimB, errr, Pablo, perfecting the right wing since 12/09.
How ever can we thank you, Timmah, errrr Pablo!?
Well, you could start with saying something that makes sense, Timmah! Funny would be a bonus.
Yeah, I was quoting you, so I can see how you couldn’t understand.
See, p, there’s irony in accusing me of perfecting the right wing (if only) and then making demands to silence a commenter here. Now, it’s an irony too complex for a blinkered, partisan sycophant of a fool to understand, but, it was funny to me and, since that’s what I INTENDED, then I think it did the job.
No, you were trying to riff on my comment and made hash of it.
And I did that where, Timmah!? This would be where you provide a quote.
Johnny Rotten rawks!
Dan, I was responding to his last missive at 5:30 on 12/10. He is the bee’s knees that one…
Enoch–
I’m glad you found a way to be pleasant to a bore.
Bob –
I have posted it before. For God’s sake, go read http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/10/meet-robert-stacy-mccain-neo.html
There, you can find links to the article he wrote about how white people should have more kids so we can avert “white racial suicide.” You can read his defense of slavery. You can read all about wonderful things he wrote. Here’s a quote from macgruder, a nice right wing journalist who would be sorely pissed at me for quoting him: “RSM, a bright and talented man, has very, very clearly written stuff that is damn well hard to defend. In journalism in DC, he was known as a parody of far right memes, and a guy whose views on race were far away from the norms of even the Wash. Times Op-Ed set.” He wrote that PW, before Jeff picked up the cross and Pablo and others, as usual, once more followed him into the breach.
You don’t want to be mentioned by name? Then, don’t write like the retarded basketball trainer, cum insurance salesman, eg “Go peddle you phony accusations of RAAAAAAACISM! somewhere they wanna hear it. ” They are not phony, even for a man who thinks “Blackie-O” is funny.
Dan –
Lastly, as I mentioned before certain other visitors came to whine about the “unfairness of everything,” I respect that you investigated this. We will agree to disagree.
Basketball trainer-cum-wannabe insurance salesman..?
What in the world does that mean?
I’ll read your link later today when I have more time to spare; at first glance it looked long and I want to give it a fair going over.
And in fairness, do you have a problem with black separatists, like Farrakhan and Wright to name a couple? Fellows who also like to toss about the race card indiscriminately…
Do you plan to stage full scale internet vendettas against them too?
Of course, Bob, although I don’t Wright is a sepatrist. Most of the quotes which make Sean Hannity angry from Wright are defensible, EXCEPT the CIA introducing crack thing, which is just nuts.
But, then again, I don’t go around attacking former Marines just because they sound like Chomsky and Howard Zinn.
But, Farrakkan is nothing but a pox on America.
Oh, and Bob, when you go read his writings, please remember this supposed historian makes light of Emmet Till’s murder, when he knows damn good and well that the crystallizing factor in the Till case was 67 minute acquittal of redneck murderers by a white jury.
Quote? Link? C’mon, scrub with me, Timmah! For the good of the party
http://www.eschatonblog.com/2008_07_27_archive.html#3755173238238515614
I just perused Attila’s place. Could you embarrass yourself more? It’s just disgusting the lengths you will go to live inside Jeff’s ass.
Where’s the “making light” of Till’s death, Timmah!? Is it “I am not justifying anything.” or “He was kidnapped and murdered…” or “Was Emmett Till wrongly murdered? Of course. or “The horrific nature of Emmett Till’s death — kidnapped at gunpoint from his relative’s home in the dark of night, tortured and murdered…” or is there something else I missed? You’re going to have to help me out on this one. I’m missing the lulz.
Is that jealousy I detect? Don’t fret, Timmah! My relationship with Jeff is purely platonic, and we’re not even all that close. The stalking may yet pay off for you. KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!
I guess Timmah! is busy.
Rather, the point is to say that the meaning of Till’s death has been distorted by propagandists who wish to use Emmett Till as a symbol of civil rights. I am saying that the facts of the case simply do not support that interpretation. While the acquittal of Till’s killers said something about the unfairness of the criminal justice system in Mississippi, Till’s death itself did not exemplify the values which some have attributed to it.
“WHILE, the acquittal”???? WHILE
The acquittal only revealed to the rest of the country the monstrous nature of justice in the South at the time and galvanized a movement to reform it.
See, here’s the difference between me and you, pablo (besides me not being a sycophantic asshole to a sociopath). You think everything is an argument, when this is a fact. The man wrote multiple freeper posts claiming the incident which galvanized a movement and shocked the conscience of the country was “distorted by propagandists”! For God’s sake, you wouldn’t have been to read such an interpretation then or now unless you were a member of the CCC or KKK.
The facts are simple: Till oogled a white woman. Her relatives tracked him down, killed him and mutilated the body. An all-white jury acquitted the murderers in 67 minutes (lamenting it would have been quicker, but they stopped deliberating to drink soda pop). The nation was shocked.
How is that a distortion? Why are you so literal? Why can’t you ever decry racism? Why do you hang with such an angry white guy who alternates crying and threatening? Do you believe the Civil Rights movement was “propagandist”? And, what, Pablo, since you are a genius of intent, does one suppose Stacy, that good Southern gentlemen, meant when he said the acquittal said “something.”
Clearly, it said something different to nation as a whole, then it said to the guy who reads Steffen (a member of the CCC) and worships John C. Calhoun and other traitors to the nation.
‘Cause Pablo, if you want to own Stacy McCain, then fucking own him and stop pussyfooting around.
forgot, the basketball thing is about some other guy…..
Holy Trinity River, it’s the Pistols live in Dallas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5azestHEYIg&feature=related
“OK all you cowboys, this is our last number, you faggots!”
Hahahaha. The Sex Pistols playe the Longhorn Ballroom. You got to give it to ‘em, they fisted the Bible Belt back in the day.
“Most of the quotes which make Sean Hannity angry from Wright are defensible,”
So it’s just a case of whose oxen is gored.
Gotcha.
Pretty racist from where I sit.
So it’s just a case of whose oxen is gored.
Indeed. “God damn America” is perfectly defensible from a liberal troll’s point of view, as is “White folks greed runs a world in need.”
Personally, I Goddamn Lubbock, Texas!
Well, you’re a moron, I don’t doubt that’s true.
But, perhaps you’d like to compare the actual sermon, which on how God judges nations for their sins, and notes the foreign policy “crimes” (albeit from a Chomsky-ite perspective) of America. From there he uses the Old Testament to note God will judge America and God will damn America. I don’t agree with him, but I also can’t believe so many smart people (Mike excluded…he just ain’t smart) can’t listen to what Wright INTENDED to say and not want the RNC and Sean Hannity wanted you to believe.
Ah, intentionalism….good enough for a racist like RSM but not good enough for a Marine veteran and preacher. Guess that gives new meaning to oxes and goring.
timb,
I’ll grant you the explanation for his “God Damn AmeriKKKa” exhortation, but there is no plausible excuse for the “White man’s greed runs a world in need” comment nor for his assertions that AIDS was a construct of the US government intended as a plague specifically to black folks…
Jerimiah Wright is as racist as any that would have fingers pointed at them. And “Liberation Theology” is a thinly veiled guise for Marxism, one that attemots to use religious underpinnings to justify it’s advocay.
Wright is a minority exceptionalist, and while that outlook may be rhetorically excused as a response to years of oppression, it is as out of sync with American societal philosopy as was the institution of slavery…
With all due respect.
Accepted as offered. We’ll agree to disagree, but, as I noted, I disagree with any ethnic separatists, Bob, no matter what color they are.
I thought I liked this place, ’til today. Apparently this whole thread exists in the imagination of one person calling itself Ann R/Timb/JeffG/ Thor/ Who the hell knows. Can’t make heads or tails of of this and don’t know why Dan puts up with it. This place is such a mess it’s a waste of time. Is this blog not worth the effort to prevent a vandal from ruining it?
Greetings Neshobanakni,
Forgove this mess, but it degenerated in a real “furball” as we used to say at Navair. A couple of the folks are involved in the subject of this thread, a running argument that has been going on for the last few days. For my part, I couldn’t hold my tongie either, and tried to argue back, but as I said it got out of hand…
Two of the identities you mentioned are the same person, who also stole JeffG’s name as well for part of this comment thread.
I regret losing my composure, and your difficulty in reading this thread.
All the best
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