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8Nov/102

Public Pension Ballot Measures in California

Let's check how how public employee ballot measures did last Tuesday:

PUBLIC EMPLOYEE MEASURES
Defeats for public employees:
San Diego Proposition D: Half-cent sales tax tied to promises of pension reforms
San Jose Measures W: Allows city to offer future workers reduced retirement benefits
Bakersfield Measure D: Rolls back public safety retirement benefits for new hires
Carlsbad Measure G: Limits increases in public safety retirement benefits
Redding Measure A: Calls for phasing in employee CalPERS contributions
Redding Measure B: Calls for 5-year vesting for retiree health care
Menlo Park Measure L: Limits retirement for new hires, voter consent to raise
Pacific Grove Measure R: Limits city contributions to employee retirement
Riverside Measures L: Voter approval to change county public safety retirement
Riverside Measure M: Voter approval to raise county public safety retirement
San Jose Measure V: Limits arbitration awards to police and firefighters
Palo Alto Measure R: Firefighter union measure to prevent staffing cuts

Victory for public employees:
San Francisco Proposition B: Increases employee contribution toward health, pension

I want you to realize that some of those "defeats" weren't really defeats -- inasmuch they were milder measures compared to some items that had been threatened. But anyway, this is for just now.

We have an overview with more detail from Ed Mendel -- with some fun in the comments; just read the first two to get a flavor. And a separate overview from Steven Greenhut (check out Greenhut's book on public employee unions).

If I were a Calpers (or other California public union) member, I would take this as a warning signal. It might be best to come to the table to negotiate, before the right to negotiate one's terms are taken away. Let me remind once again: retired people cannot strike. And current workers may not strike on your behalf. As well, it is difficult to sue money into existence.

On a separate election note, a politician greatly misreading the electoral mood,
answered a question very poorly pre-election, defending the right to double-dip. Yes, it's legit, and yes, public employees might like the support in double-dipping....but the people paying for this benefit look upon it with a jaundiced eye. At the very least, Cooley could have decried double-dipping for himself and leave it at that. Or challenged his opponent. Or changed the subject.

I understand Cooley may yet win his race, but it's very close.

Meep

Meep is a member of the Irish Catholic mafia, having a suspiciously high number of green-eyed, red-haired friends. While she doesn’t have red hair herself [except when she goes into the sun (rare for any vampire)], she does have green eyes. She’s a raving Papist and is a life actuary on the side [i.e., she counts dead people]. An amateur pain-in-the-ass [willing to go pro!], she likes covering retirement, mortality, math, and education issues.

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  1. Far too little and far too late, they are only delaying the inevitable, and not delaying it very much at that. The Socialist Republic of California and its Union-owned municipalities do not have the stomach for what it would take to fix the problem, they are just hoping to delay until they can get a sympathetic (ie Democrat) Congress in power again to bail them out with the rest of America’s tax money. News Flash – it ain’t gonna happen. Even if the D’s get Congress back, America will be too broke to bail. California will have to fundamentally change its culture or it will end up as Detroit with nicer weather. At this point, I’m betting on Detroit.

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  2. Yeah, Detroit doesn’t have as large liabilities.

    But as it is, there’s not going to be any desire to bail out California. Illinois might have squeaked by, but I don’t see that happening, either. And then there’s New Jersey…. definitely not happening.

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