Teh Gays and Teh Fashion of Starvation

I will begin with the obligatory statement that I love homosexuals. I have no problem with them. As a Catholic I am called to love the sinner and hate the sin. But this post is not about homosexuality per se.

Numerous times in the last couple years various web publishers have pondered how the more womanly (shapely, curvacious) pin up girl of prior generations have come to be supplanted by “waifs” and women with the so-called “Athletic body type” as the archetype of what is physically desirable.

A well-known expert on the topic of eating disorders and the modeling industry, MamaV, happens to be a friendly of mine in meat space. She and I talked about this very topic last year. Her site chronicles the struggles many women in and outside the Industry have with eating disorders. You can read her blog on Women Body Image & Eating Disorders here.

As a father of 3 girls, two of which are teenagers and one of which has had a brush with an eating disorder, MamaV and I have discussed the topic at some length.

The last conversation we had (last year, perhaps?) we went down the rabbit hole and covered the more commonly identified antagonists… the media, Hollywood… the unrealistic images of women plastered in magazines and consumed voraciously by young impressionable girls. We covered these more obvious themes. I still believe there is some merit to placing the blame for our cultural frenzy over the unattainable – as in, air-brushed 12 and 13 year olds being passed off as twenty something corporate go-getters in the pages of Mademoiselle for instance.

Do I think Fashion Publishers and Hollywood are worthy of some blame as it relates to the corruption of body image and the bastardization of what is “beautiful”? Yes. Absolutely. To profit from advancing an unreal-istic goal… by selling fiction as achievable is scandalous and damaging.

Yet, the question we are treating on relates to the morphing of what is considered beautiful in American Pop Culture.

How did it happen that Monroe became “plus sized” and that people like Keira Knightly became the goal?

Also not at all offensive to me.

BTW – Full Disclosure: I like women of mostly all shapes and sizes (within reason), but do have a preference for so-called “Athletic” body typed women like Keira Knightly. I like em long and lean. But I have no problem appreciating the more voluptuous body types either. It really is sort of a case-by-case basis for yours truly. Point being, I do prefer to look at more slender women. But even so, there is a point at which someone looks sickly. If someone is too skinny for what they are natively apt to be, it is as off-putting as someone who shaves off their eyebrows and replaces them with tattooed ones in my book.

Back to the topic at hand.

When speaking with MamaV it occurred to me that perhaps the domination of the Fashion Industry by Gay Men has a great deal with today’s “perfect body”.

It makes a great deal of sense that men who prefer men would think that less-curvy women are more attractive.

Lots of Stuff to Contemplate.

Let me put it this way: if you’re not into hips and boobs… if you prefer the “perfect male physique” (different topic), it makes sense that you would find women with narrower hips and smaller boobs relatively more attractive than the chick on Mad Men. You know, the one with the abundance of outstanding assets.

Someone will accuse me of Homophobia or something for writing this. But I am sure it is not a novel line of thinking. I just haven’t encountered this hypothesis before.

Odd to think that perhaps women are being pressured to look more like boys by people who prefer “boys/men”.

Then again, I am a middle-aged, overweight lump whose fashion hasn’t changed substantially since the Nineties. What the hell do I know? Not much.

UPDATE: Thx to Stacy at TheOtherMcCain for the linky love!

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15 Responses to Teh Gays and Teh Fashion of Starvation

  1. meep says:

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  2. Enoch_Root says:

    Foot binding, in my understanding, was to prevent women from running away from their husbands. A kind of hobbling. Corsetting seems to me sought to accentuate the more natural hourglass shape – narrowing the waist – making the contrast of hips and boobs perhaps more dramatic. Although I am no corsetting historian. As for neck-elongation, discs, etc… I have no idea what these are about. Just plain odd.

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  3. Lance McCormick says:

    This supports my pseudo-conspiracy theory that the fashion industry is controlled by gay men and bitter women.

    What makes it eye-rollingly contrail-level conspiratorial is its heavy reliance on (and probable exaggeration of) the percentage of gay men who are at least attracted to underage boys.

    Though the difficulty of tailoring clothes that look good on, shall I say, complex bodyshapes may be part of it as well.

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    • Enoch_Root says:

      I dont think I argued one way or another about a percentage of Gay Men who are attracted to underage boys. What I was proposing is that Gay Men prefer men – which I think is a sound assumption to make. And that shapely women are further from a archetypical man’s physique than say a skinny, slender woman.

      It may come down to utility as you mention. I am not saying I am correct, but rather postulating a possible factor for the much-lamented state of affairs.

      Anyway, thanks for visiting powip.

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  4. Mike Giles says:

    It could be said that the preference for the adolescent male figure goes as far back as the portrayals of Ganymede or Renaissance statues of David. I would suggest though, that it isn’t some sort of conspiracy on the part of Gays, but more likely an unconscious preference that they may not even be consciously aware of. It so subtle that it just shows itself when they arrive at the point where something seems “right” in their eyes.

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  5. FeFe says:

    My sister notes how on the show Project Runway the designers are always irked beyond the point of propriety when they are presented with the challenge to design for “real” women i.e. not models. It is all complaints about body type on the design floor, confessionals and back at the flat to commiserate. When the designers are back to the basics, as it were, with models they more often than not make items too small but feel they all have a level playing field again. You see, it’s all about them, the designer. They seek not competition but fame. The industry may term the female consumer the “client” but they are the product not their output – for the clothing is mass produced, as they see it, not for individuals (unique and oh so different as you find in the fashion industry) but Stepford Wives. Their young.

    As for the pervasiveness in design houses to continue with the no hips and boobs ideal, you must realize that the young we mentioned above fill out the stables in their design factories, and more often than not (as we see in the cavalcade of Project Runway guest judges or Homeshopping Network designers), the yes men are homosexual. More importantly, homosexuals have made a niche industry (and bff gigolos) out of affirming women’s fashion taste. At large, an industry that is admittedly “youth obsessed” and homosexual upfront in the display window (cultural Marxism in action) would by default find prepubescent boys their ideal body image to play dress up.

    However, I give Heidi Klum, as host of Project Runway, props for always pushing to the forefront that a designer must be able to design for real women’s bodies but it mostly comes off as for fat people, though she herself does represent a more curvacious body type. It’s such a shame Heidi felt the need to engage in an affirmative action marriage, but working all her life among such a militant shrill, tolerance through intolerance segment of society, LGBTs, I’m sure her publicist said it was a good idea at the time, however, renewing their wedding vows every year for publicity spreads in glossy mags wasn’t enough. Now they divorce, but I digress.

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  7. Jim Hlavac says:

    The idea that gay men “control” the fashion industry is mush, though many in that industry are gay, for sure. The concept that we’re into making anorexic women the norm is absurd. Indeed, all the Divas of the gay world, Dolly Parton, Aretha Franklin, Madonna, Cindy Lauper, etc, etc, are rather ample. Drag queens, by the way, are the best when the most buxom and bottomed. Seems gay men like big-breasted babes indeed. And the men we tend to like are rather masculine and muscular for the most part. And the idea that we like thin little emaciated boys or girls is too absurd to even touch — it’s an old canard, oft repeated, and rather reprehensible.

    Meanwhile, Twiggy was a rail thin anorexic in the 1960s, no? And in the Middle Ages thin waists and flattened breasts were the norm for several hundred years.

    And when Ruben was painting ample women, I’m pretty sure that gay men were in “control” of the fashion industry too. Indeed, gay men have gravitated to the fashion industry since the dawn of time, while thin and ample have gone up and down in popularity.

    Finally, in the most clinching argument I can make — to gay men it is irrelevant what form women take — for they are not something we desire — and thus it makes no difference whether they are thin or thick.

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    • Enoch_Root says:

      Jim – thanks for stopping by. As I meantioned, I may be completely off-base with this hypothesis. Nevertheless, I do appreciate you stopping by to give me your more informed opinion.

      Twiggy was rail thin in the Sixties – this is correct.

      Thin waists and flattened breasts in the Middle Ages – I do know girls were married off at very young ages in those days, so perhaps a reason?

      As for the form women take being “irrelevant” to Gay Men… I am not so sure about that. One does not need to desire something in order to prefer something else… or indeed have an opinion about the object and how it could be better.

      In any event, you are always welcome here.

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      • Jim Hlavac says:

        Well, thanks sir.

        As for the Middle Ages, showing too much breast and curves was considered very inappropriate at any age: temptresses and all that, you know. They actually tightly banded their busts to hide them. And marriage was, even back then, not very normal if under 16 — King John of England scandalized Europe when he married a 14 year old (who may actually have been younger) — royalty might have been betrothed at early ages for politics, but the wedding and honeymoons were when they were age-appropriate, which was oh, 16+. I find that era quite fascinating, so I study it a lot from different angles, fashion being one. You know, a funny one: in the late 800s AD, when Charles the Fat was King of France (how’s that name to come down in history, eh?) he had to continually call out the knights to quell the drunken riots of students from the new University of Paris — seems they were getting tanked at the pubs outside the walls, and well, um, occupying what they could. Hasn’t changed much, I guess.

        As for the form of women, and I’m not in the fashion world, but merely conversational with my friends, we are pretty oblivious to it, and it’s just not really discussed; it’s the hair and dresses that seem to make the most impact with many of us, if any impact is made at all.

        And by the way, “homophobic” you and most in this nation are not, so don’t worry about that — I’d call it “gay-perplexed” however, and I can understand that. I find the word “homophobic” tossed about by liberals like they toss around the “racist” word — which is for no other reason than to stop all debate and discussion and prevent finding common ground and to pretend one is superior in all matters to any other person.

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        • Enoch_Root says:

          Hadnt heard of El Gordo of France… but you’re right, students were probably trying to occupy stuff.

          I like the term “gay-perplexed” – perhaps there’s a contraction there somewhere. “gayplexified” or something somesuch.

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  8. Clemsnman says:

    Well, Duh. I am surprised you’re just figuring this out. All of the fashion industry caught teh ghey a long time ago. I am tired of hearing wimmens complain about how magazines that only wimmen read giving them false body images instead of listening to the men that actually love them, or want to love them.

    Real men don’t actually go for stick-women.
    Give me some Salma Hayek over Keira Knightly anyday…or night.

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